Legislature(2003 - 2004)

01/30/2003 08:00 AM House STA

Audio Topic
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
             HOUSE STATE AFFAIRS STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                           
                        January 30, 2003                                                                                        
                           8:00 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bruce Weyhrauch, Chair                                                                                           
Representative Jim Holm, Vice Chair                                                                                             
Representative Nancy Dahlstrom                                                                                                  
Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                         
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Ethan Berkowitz                                                                                                  
Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner, Department of Corrections                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Marc Antrim - Juneau                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS ACTION                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
MARC ANTRIM, Commissioner                                                                                                       
Office of the Commissioner - Juneau                                                                                             
Department of Corrections                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified as appointed commissioner of the                                                                 
Department of Corrections.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MARY KAPSNER                                                                                                     
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified during the confirmation hearing                                                                  
for Commissioner Marc Antrim.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 03-02, SIDE A                                                                                                            
Number 0001                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  BRUCE WEYHRAUCH  called the  House State  Affairs Standing                                                             
Committee meeting  to order at  8:00 a.m.   Representatives Holm,                                                               
Seaton,  Dahlstrom,  Lynn,  Berkowitz, Gruenberg,  and  Weyhrauch                                                               
were present at the call to order.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner, Department of Corrections                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0017                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH  announced that the committee  would consider the                                                               
confirmation   of  Marc   Antrim,  Commissioner,   Department  of                                                               
Corrections,  and  he explained  the  process  of a  confirmation                                                               
hearing.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0100                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARC ANTRIM,  Commissioner, Office of the  Commissioner - Juneau,                                                               
Department  of Corrections,  noted that  the House  State Affairs                                                               
Standing  Committee  had received  his  resume  [included in  the                                                               
committee  packet].   He  conveyed  the honor  he  felt at  being                                                               
appointed by  Governor Murkowski,  having begun [his  career] "on                                                               
the floor as an officer."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0210                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   ANTRIM   noted   that  in   [the   Department   of                                                               
Corrections]  unique bonds  are formed  among employees;  many of                                                               
the men  and women who  work in the correctional  facilities work                                                               
week-on/week-off shifts  - 12-hour days  - and socialize  as well                                                               
as work  together.  He  said, "We're asked  to do things  for the                                                               
state in  those capacities  that most people  just don't  have to                                                               
do."    For  example,  he listed  wrestling  intoxicated  people,                                                               
[rehabilitating]  people who  are suicidal,  and [controlling  or                                                               
restraining]  aggressive people  who suddenly  "go crazy"  in the                                                               
booking areas, after  appearing calm in the patrol car.   He told                                                               
the  committee that  that  type  of work  has  been a  character-                                                               
builder for  those in  it, including  himself.   He spoke  of the                                                               
attention  to  safety for  the  public,  the prisoners,  and  the                                                               
coworkers.   He characterized the  people who work in  this field                                                               
as being selfless.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  commented that  the men  and women  who work                                                               
for [the  Department of  Corrections] like to  say that  it's the                                                               
toughest  beat in  the state,  and he  agrees.   He said  that he                                                               
hopes he  can meet the  goals and  expectations of those  men and                                                               
women,  as  well  as  his  own.   He  said  that  he  thinks  his                                                               
experience inside  the department  will allow  him to  offer [the                                                               
legislature] "and  other committees" some insights  regarding how                                                               
to [make]  difficult decisions  "without seriously  impacting the                                                               
operations of the department."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0529                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM mentioned  a concern regarding insurance                                                               
billing and asked Commissioner Antrim to address the issue.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM responded that the  issue is a concern, which                                                               
Jerry  Burnett,  the  Director  of  Administrative  Services,  is                                                               
addressing.    He stated  that  he  thinks a  new  administration                                                               
offers  a new  perspective.   Given that  there are  a number  of                                                               
short-term prisoners  who are gainfully  employed and  do [incur]                                                               
injuries,  he  said, "I  think  this  is  something that  we  can                                                               
certainly use to impact our budget positively."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0667                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  asked Commissioner  Antrim for  his comments                                                               
regarding a  possible prison site  in Whittier,  Alaska [proposed                                                               
in 2002 during the Twenty-Second  Alaska State Legislature, in HB
498].                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM responded that  [Governor Murkowski] has made                                                               
it clear that  he does not support private  prisons "in concept,"                                                               
which   is  basically   the  position   of  the   [Department  of                                                               
Corrections].   He mentioned a  proposal that is "on  the table,"                                                               
and he  said that he  has not had  adequate time to  consider it;                                                               
therefore, he would not make  any in-depth comments regarding it.                                                               
Notwithstanding that, he  said that he would be ready  to give an                                                               
honest assessment of that project soon.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 0775                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ   asked  if  the   administration  will                                                               
continue to oppose private prisons.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM answered that he  has not had any information                                                               
to  the contrary.    In  response to  a  follow-up question  from                                                               
Representative   Berkowitz,   he   said  that   he   thinks   the                                                               
administration  will be  open to  all proposals  brought forward;                                                               
however, he  reiterated that the  governor's present  position is                                                               
that he opposes [private prisons], as does the department.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ   stated  that  he  fully   hopes  that                                                               
[Governor Murkowski] fulfills all his campaign promises.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 0828                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MARY KAPSNER,  Alaska  State Legislature,  stated                                                               
her understanding  that the [Department of  Corrections] would be                                                               
reexamining  social programs  and asked  Commissioner Antrim  for                                                               
the definition of a social program.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM  replied  that  [the  department]  offers  a                                                               
variety of  treatment programs to help  [rehabilitate] prisoners,                                                               
specific  to  [the  problem  that   the  prisoners  face].    The                                                               
department  intends   to  examine  the  effectiveness   of  those                                                               
programs.   He mentioned seeing  people repeatedly return  to the                                                               
programs, and he said that he  would like to open discussion with                                                               
the various  treatment providers to  come up with  more effective                                                               
[programs].   He mentioned sexual  abuse and said that  there are                                                               
some recidivism issues that need to be addressed.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM, in  response to  a follow-up  question from                                                               
Representative Kapsner,  said that  [the department]  would begin                                                               
with a cost analysis and then  observe how many people go through                                                               
[the  programs] versus  how  many  of those  people  return.   He                                                               
mentioned  Mr.   Topou  [with  the  department],   who  would  be                                                               
examining the programs from a "philosophical approach."                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER  asked  if  the  department  intended  to                                                               
conduct both a fiscal audit and program audit.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  answered that  the department  would attempt                                                               
to "tie  them in together" to  get a cohesive picture.   He said,                                                               
"I understand  what your concern is  ... and I would  like to put                                                               
that at ease."   He said that [the department]  would not look at                                                               
a program that's not working and  automatically cut it.  He added                                                               
that [the department]  obviously needs to provide  a large amount                                                               
of treatment  in substance  abuse.  He  reiterated that  this was                                                               
not a  matter of eliminating a  program, but rather of  making it                                                               
better.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1286                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked Commissioner Antrim to  clarify that                                                               
he was  talking about  working for  the most  effective treatment                                                               
options, instead of [going back to] the "warehousing" model.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  said that the warehousing  approach has been                                                               
in the  business as long  as he  has.  He  said he knows  that 90                                                               
percent of  [Alaska's] prisoners  are "going  to come  back out."                                                               
He stated  that "doing nothing in  the interim" would be  a total                                                               
disservice to the  citizens of Alaska.   Commissioner Antrim said                                                               
he is  not going  back to  the warehousing  model.   He clarified                                                               
that [the  department] has  no intention  of ending  any existing                                                               
program, but instead will make those [programs] more effective.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1360                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  said  he   found  that  many  corrections                                                               
officers were  concerned that  some of  the actions  initiated by                                                               
the legislature  last year  regarding [amenities]  were "directed                                                               
at the wrong  point."  He stated his own  concern that the system                                                               
should  not  withhold  amenities from  the  long-term  prisoners,                                                               
whose rehabilitation  might be aided  by having them,  but should                                                               
instead  deny  amenities  to  those   in  the  early  stages  [of                                                               
incarceration]  to impress  upon them  that "this  is some  place                                                               
they don't  want to be."   He  asked Commissioner Antrim  for his                                                               
views on that issue.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  responded that  a wide variety  of amenities                                                               
are  offered to  prisoners, which  he said  is "all  part of  the                                                               
design."  He described the booking  area as very spartan and said                                                               
that  the pre-trial  area offers  a  little more  property.   The                                                               
long-term  area, he  said, is  the place  where prisoners  are in                                                               
double-bunk  cells   and  are   able  to   purchase  televisions.                                                               
Commissioner Antrim noted  that it is the  long-term amenities to                                                               
which Representative  Seaton referred  that "sometimes  raise the                                                               
hackles  on a  number of  legislators' necks."   The  reason that                                                               
[the  department] allows  [prisoners]  to  provide amenities  for                                                               
themselves  is  because those  amenities  serve  as a  management                                                               
tool; it's a  way to control negative behavior  in a correctional                                                               
center.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM  commented  that  long-term  prisoners  like                                                               
things  to be  predictable  and despise  being around  short-term                                                               
prisoners,  because "their  focus  is  so far  off"  that of  the                                                               
short-term prisoners.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1687                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  asked Commissioner Antrim to  share his                                                               
general philosophy regarding corrections.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1695                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  answered that  his general philosophy  is to                                                               
treat  [prisoners] fairly  and firmly,  rehabilitate them  to the                                                               
best  of  [the staff's]  availability,  and  send them  back  out                                                               
better than they were when they came in.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1823                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN asked  how large  a problem  homosexual rape                                                               
between  prisoners  is and  what  measures  "we'd be  taking"  to                                                               
protect  prisoners from  each other.   He  stated that  he is  in                                                               
strong favor  of strong sentencing,  but no prisoner  should have                                                               
to suffer sexual abuse within the system.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  responded that  the incidence  of homosexual                                                               
rape  in  [the Alaska  correctional]  system  is relatively  low,                                                               
largely because of existing staffing  patterns and the relatively                                                               
small size  of the  facilities.  Those  incidents which  do occur                                                               
are prosecuted  to the fullest  extent.  He indicated  that there                                                               
is  greater   risk  "to  our   personal  population"   in  larger                                                               
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1936                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER    ANTRIM,   in    response   to    questions   from                                                               
Representative  Berkowitz,  said that  he  is  familiar with  the                                                               
Chaney criteria and concurs that it is adequate guidance.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1945                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ, at  the  request  of Chair  Weyhrauch,                                                               
noted that there are the five  goals [of the Chaney criteria] and                                                               
listed  the  following:    isolation,  prisoners'  deterrence  of                                                               
others, rehabilitation of the prisoner,  and an expression of the                                                               
community.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1980                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER mentioned  an  article  in the  Anchorage                                                             
Chronicle  prior to  Deputy  Commissioner Stalworthy's  [current]                                                             
appointment.    In that  article,  Mr.  Stalworthy reported  that                                                               
assaults  were up  50 percent  in  Alaska's correctional  system.                                                               
She said that she has been  "keeping a sharp eye" on corrections.                                                               
Representative Kapsner said that  [Commissioner Margaret Pugh, in                                                               
office at the  time the article was  released, approximately fall                                                               
2002]  did not  know the  source  of that  report.   Commissioner                                                               
[Pugh]  had offered  the following  statistics to  Representative                                                               
Kapsner, which she  shared with the House  State Affairs Standing                                                               
Committee as follows:  Nationally,  there are 29.2 [assaults] per                                                               
1,000 assaults,  and in Alaska  there are  1.3 [per 1,000].   She                                                               
asked Commissioner Antrim to comment.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM noted that "the  deputy commissioner got that                                                               
statistic  from  information supplied  by  our  department" in  a                                                               
publication Commissioner  Antrim said  he believed is  called the                                                               
"Corrections  Yearbook."   He  stated that  he  thinks the  point                                                               
[that  was]  made [by  reporting  that  statistic] is  that  even                                                               
though  the statistics  are very  good, offenses  in the  state's                                                               
system are "up."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER  stated that a  50 percent increase  in [a                                                               
very low  number of assaults] still  equals [a low number].   She                                                               
stated her  concern that  the reports  should show  [Alaska's low                                                               
number of assaults].                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM noted  that although there is  a good record,                                                               
there have  been a number  of serious incidents.   He said  he is                                                               
charged to keep people safe while they serve their sentences.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2148                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  asked  Commissioner Antrim  if  he  is                                                               
concerned that  budget cuts could  have the impact  of increasing                                                               
danger to prisoners and guards.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  answered that a  certain amount of  staff is                                                               
necessary  at  each  facility to  adequately  observe  prisoners.                                                               
Those staffing  points or "posts"  are depended upon  to mutually                                                               
support each other in the advent  of an emergency or some type of                                                               
disturbance in the facility.   Any budget cut does translate into                                                               
staff reductions at those posts.   Many changes have been made in                                                               
staffing to  adjust to various  budget cuts that have  been made.                                                               
He  opined,  "I  think  we're  teetering  on  the  edge  of  some                                                               
potential additional incidents."                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2246                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON said  that he  had noticed  that the  food                                                               
service  at  the Spring  Creek  [Correctional  Center] was  quite                                                               
different from that  which is seen on  national television, where                                                               
a hall  with up  to two  hundred people is  depicted.   At Spring                                                               
Creek, prisoners pick  up their food in twos and  return to their                                                               
cell to eat, thereby seemingly  cutting down much of the "tension                                                               
interaction."   He asked if  that model of food  service delivery                                                               
is helpful and if it is [practiced] throughout the system.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM answered that  that system of delivering food                                                               
is not consistent throughout all  the facilities.  He named three                                                               
facilities where  large dining  halls are  used:   the Fairbanks,                                                               
Lemon Creek,  and Wildwood  Correctional Centers.   In  the newer                                                               
facilities,  food  service  is actually  brought  to  the  living                                                               
units, he said.  He  mentioned choices of cost-effectiveness that                                                               
are made,  but said  that the  [food service  method used  in the                                                               
newer facilities] is much safer for the prisoners and the staff.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2382                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ said,  "During the  state of  the state                                                               
[address], the  governor indicated he  was going to have  a large                                                               
anti-crime  package."    He  stated  that  those  crime  packages                                                               
usually  translate to  large fiscal  notes for  corrections.   He                                                               
asked Commissioner  Antrim if he had  had a chance to  peruse any                                                               
of those  "proposals in the package,"  and he asked what  kind of                                                               
fiscal note would be anticipated.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  answered that [the department]  is currently                                                               
studying  those  fiscal  notes.     He  said,  "I  can  certainly                                                               
communicate  to your  office what  those individual  fiscal notes                                                               
are, and  they will be attached,  of course, to those  aspects of                                                               
the bill."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ  reminded  committee  members  that  if                                                               
there  is a  fiscal note,  it  has to  be  paid for,  one way  or                                                               
another.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2447                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG asked  Commissioner  Antrim  if he  was                                                               
aware of  Administrative Order  207, which  was published  on the                                                               
23rd [of January, 2003], but was actually issued the day before.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM said  he had been aware of it,  but until the                                                               
order was released  he was not certain he could  comment in depth                                                               
on it.  He said that  [the department] is currently working on it                                                               
in  regard  to personnel  rules  and  to contracts  with  various                                                               
bargaining units.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM,   in  response  to  a   question  by  Chair                                                               
Weyhrauch,  concurred  that he  did  not  have control  over  the                                                               
release date.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2526                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG noted a  provision [in paragraph five of                                                               
Administrative  Order 207,  included  in  the committee  packet],                                                               
which  he read  as  follows:   "The inmate  health  care unit  is                                                               
transferred from the division of  institutions to the division of                                                               
administrative   services.     The  director   of  administrative                                                               
services   is  responsible   for  undertaking   cost  containment                                                               
measures for the delivery of inmate health care."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG quoted  a section  of the  accompanying                                                               
press  release [included  in the  committee  packet] as  follows:                                                               
"The  inmate  care  unit  has  been  moved  to  the  Division  of                                                               
Administrative  Services, where  the  director  can work  closely                                                               
with the  medical director and  other state agencies  to maintain                                                               
quality  health  care  for   Alaska's  inmate  population,  while                                                               
undertaking a variety of cost-containment measures."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG also recollected  having read an article                                                               
- in  either an Anchorage or  a Juneau newspaper -  that reported                                                               
that  30 percent  of  hepatitis B  cases and  a  large number  of                                                               
tuberculosis (TB)  and human  immunodeficiency virus  (HIV) cases                                                               
have emanated from  recently released prisoners.   He stated that                                                               
there is some  concern nationally as to the level  of health care                                                               
that prisoners  are receiving, and  the effect that that  lack of                                                               
health  care  is having  on  the  spread  of these  very  serious                                                               
communicable diseases.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG asked  Commissioner  Antrim what  steps                                                               
the  department would  take under  the current  administration to                                                               
ensure that the desire to  contain costs does not outweigh inmate                                                               
safety and the public safety in this area.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2633                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  responded that  all of  [Alaska's] prisoners                                                               
undergo a  cursory medical  exam.   He explained  that this  is a                                                               
means of controlling the aforementioned diseases.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG asked,  "Are they  all given  tests for                                                               
tuberculosis?"                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM said yes.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG also asked about hepatitis B and HIV.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM responded  as follows:  "All  blood is drawn.                                                               
Everybody has to get a TB test.   If they refuse the TB test, for                                                               
example,   we   put   them  in   what's   called   administrative                                                               
segregation."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2680                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLM  mentioned the  guard-to-prisoner ratio.   He                                                               
asked if his  recollection was true that there  are a significant                                                               
amount of guard and probation officer staff positions open.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM answered that  [the department] is diligently                                                               
working  to  "whittle  that  down  as  we  can  with  our  budget                                                               
constraints."   He said that  part of [the department's]  goal is                                                               
to "free up some dollars" in  middle management and [to use] that                                                               
money to fill [those positions].                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLM  asked Commissioner  Antrim if he  thought he                                                               
would be able to find efficiencies in administration to do that.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM answered yes.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2729                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH referred to an  earlier statement by Commissioner                                                               
Antrim regarding inmate deaths that  were arguably avoidable.  He                                                               
asked  the commissioner  to  confirm for  the  record that  "that                                                               
wasn't  any position  by the  department, that's  just a  concern                                                               
that you raised."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM  said  yes.   In  response  to  a  follow-up                                                               
question  by Chair  Weyhrauch, he  confirmed  that [his  previous                                                               
statement] was in no way an admission of liability.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2760                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  requested   that  Commissioner  Antrim                                                               
continue with  his previous response regarding  [health screening                                                               
of prisoners].                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  said that if  any of the  prisoners screened                                                               
are found to  have any of the  aforementioned diseases, treatment                                                               
is initiated  immediately.   He stated that  he was  not familiar                                                               
with   the  article   Representative  Gruenberg   had  previously                                                               
referred to, but said that the statistics were very alarming.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  asked if  anyone  else  had seen  that                                                               
article.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
AN UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER said he had seen it.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  said he  would like the  chance to  read the                                                               
article before he comments on it.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2805                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER asked,  before  the administrative  order                                                               
came out,  whether there  was any discussion  with the  unions or                                                               
with the  superintendent at the correctional  facility about this                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM answered no.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER asked if  Commissioner Antrim foresees any                                                               
layoffs of superintendents because of the administrative order.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   ANTRIM   responded  no.      He   said  that   the                                                               
administrative order  affects a limited number  of superintendent                                                               
positions; it doesn't affect the  superintendents as a group.  He                                                               
explained, "This  is really  round two  of some  economizing that                                                               
was done  several years ago."   He estimated that 10  or 12 years                                                               
ago,  all   of  the   facilities  had   assistant  superintendent                                                               
positions when  management determined to consolidate  some of the                                                               
duties and  eliminate some  of those  [positions] in  the smaller                                                               
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2878                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM said  [the  department]  is continuing  that                                                               
process of  consolidation.   He noted that  there have  been some                                                               
changes in  [the department's]  job classes.   He told  the House                                                               
State  Affairs  Standing  Committee  that  some  of  the  current                                                               
assistant superintendent  duties will  be moved  "in some  of the                                                               
facilities that are  affected" to an "SU" position  that has been                                                               
introduced.   He added,  "In many  cases, the  affected assistant                                                               
superintendents will move into those positions that are vacant."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2891                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON asked  if  the  vacancies in  correctional                                                               
officer positions  are a result of  not being able to  find staff                                                               
for those positions, or because of insufficient funding.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2934                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM answered  that there  were approximately  88                                                               
correctional   officer  positions   and   16  probation   officer                                                               
positions open "at the time of transition."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TAPE 03-02, SIDE B                                                                                                            
Number 2972                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  said that  [the department]  is experiencing                                                               
recruiting  difficulties.   He added,  "It's just  tough to  find                                                               
decent people."   A  large number of  people apply;  however, the                                                               
background  checks eliminate  a lot  of people.   He  stated that                                                               
[the department] is responsible for  placing people in control of                                                               
people's  lives  in a  way  that  could  have some  very  serious                                                               
consequences; therefore,  he rationalized  that he  believes that                                                               
[the department] is correct in  making certain that only the best                                                               
and most trustworthy people are placed in those positions.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2876                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM said that he  is filling the vacancies as the                                                               
budget  allows.    [The  department]   is  examining  its  hiring                                                               
process, he  said.  He  noted that  there has been  difficulty in                                                               
attracting Alaska Natives and females to fill the job vacancies.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 2849                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ said that  he and Representative Kapsner                                                               
have  discussed  a proposal  that  has  existed for  "quite  some                                                               
time," which would expand the  responsibilities of VPSOs [Village                                                               
Public  Safety  Officers] to  include  some  probation or  parole                                                               
activities.  He said it  would help with "the rehabilitation" and                                                               
the VPSOs'  compensation packages.  He  asked Commissioner Antrim                                                               
if he would be willing to assist in that pursuit.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 2825                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM replied  that he agreed that  it is important                                                               
to "get people  back to ... where they live,  particularly in our                                                               
remote locations  around the state."   Currently, a  staff person                                                               
is  working  with  the VPSOs  regarding  monitoring  and  meeting                                                               
probation  and parole  conditions, he  said.   In  response to  a                                                               
comment by Representative  Berkowitz, he agreed that  it is cost-                                                               
effective to "monitor them in place."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2778                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HOLM mentioned an  inmates-to-staff ratio found in                                                               
the Corrections  Yearbook, dated January  1, 2001, which  he said                                                               
is  the second  best ratio  in the  country.   He suggested  that                                                               
perhaps there shouldn't be a big  hurry to change those ratios at                                                               
this point;  therefore, he commended Commissioner  Antrim for his                                                               
care in [choosing] officers.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2720                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM commented that  the officer safety statistics                                                               
are  as  impressive  as  the   statistics  showing  low  prisoner                                                               
violence.  He stated that  that is "another mechanism of adequate                                                               
staffing and just good training on the part of our employees."                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2700                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAPSNER   stated  her  understanding   that  [the                                                               
department] is embarking  on a chaplaincy program.   She asked if                                                               
the  chaplains  will  be  on   the  state  payroll  and  if  [the                                                               
department] would  be sensitive to recruiting  chaplains of other                                                               
faiths besides Christianity.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2666                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM answered  that  [the department]  has had  a                                                               
chaplaincy  program for  a long  time, and  he said  that certain                                                               
statistics indicate  that faith-based programs are  probably some                                                               
of the most effective.  He  explained that the chaplain serves as                                                               
a  coordinator who  makes certain  that the  space available  for                                                               
chaplaincy  services is  shared equally  among all  the different                                                               
faiths.   There  are currently  several paid  chaplains; Chaplain                                                               
Mike  Ensch,  based  in  Anchorage,   Alaska,  is  the  statewide                                                               
coordinator.    He noted  that  Chaplain  Ensch has  submitted  a                                                               
proposal  to  the commissioner's  office  that  would expand  the                                                               
program and introduce  a number of paid  chaplains throughout the                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  said that  he supports  the concept  [of the                                                               
proposal], but  pointed out that  it is  a matter of  finding the                                                               
money to  do it.  He  stated that the cost  of placing moderately                                                               
paid  chaplains in  all [the  correctional]  facilities would  be                                                               
approximately  $500,000.    He  stated that  the  intent  of  the                                                               
department  is  to  consider  a  variety  of  funding  sources  -                                                               
including the  "faith-based initiatives  that are very  big right                                                               
now," as  well as individual  church groups  - and to  attempt to                                                               
match those funds somehow with state funds.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM,  responding   to  Representative  Kapsner's                                                               
question regarding individual faiths,  stated that the Jewish and                                                               
Muslim faiths are well represented  in the prison population.  He                                                               
said  that  part  of  Chaplain Ensch's  proposal  is  to  provide                                                               
chapels in each of the  facilities, many of which don't currently                                                               
have dedicated chapels.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2489                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG   referred  to   Commissioner  Antrim's                                                               
statement during the [Department  of Corrections] overview [House                                                               
State Affairs  Standing Committee,  January 23,  2003], regarding                                                               
employing "best correctional  practices throughout the operations                                                               
of  the department."    He said  that he  believes  three of  the                                                               
[correctional] institutions have  met the accreditation standards                                                               
set by  the American  Correctional Association  (ACA).   He asked                                                               
Commissioner Antrim  if he  was planning  to continue  working to                                                               
bring the other institutions towards accreditation, as well.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2454                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM  replied that  that's  a  program that  [the                                                               
department]   must  take   a  look   at.     He  said   that  the                                                               
superintendents   of   the   facilities   [that   underwent   the                                                               
accreditation] will [attest]  that that was a  very intensive and                                                               
expensive process.   The value of [the accreditation]  is that it                                                               
establishes a set of standards  and conditions for the prisoners,                                                               
and guarantees that  the staff will review  the policy procedures                                                               
and demonstrate "knowledge."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM said  that [the  department] must  determine                                                               
whether the  certification process is  "worth it," or  whether it                                                               
can come close to something like  that on its own for less money.                                                               
He  offered the  example  of the  Ketchikan  facility spending  a                                                               
great amount  of money  to provide a  cell with  handicap access.                                                               
In  response   to  a  question  from   Representative  Gruenberg,                                                               
Commissioner Antrim explained that there  was no one who required                                                               
a handicap  cell at the prison  at that time; the  remodeling was                                                               
part  of the  certification process.    He noted  that the  Lemon                                                               
Creek  facility  has several  massive  dormitory  areas, none  of                                                               
which  will  meet ACA  accreditation.    He  said he  thinks  the                                                               
approach that  [the department] will end  up taking is to  try to                                                               
get as close  to [ACA standards] as it can.   Commissioner Antrim                                                               
characterized ACA standards as "widely available."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 2353                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG    asked   if    most   [correctional]                                                               
institutions in the United States meet [the ACA] standards.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM answered no.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked if there  is any penalty  for not                                                               
meeting  the   standards,  for  example,  being   ineligible  [to                                                               
receive] federal funds.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  responded no.   He said that he  guesses the                                                               
bigger  question  is  what  the   benefit  is.    Whether  [being                                                               
accredited] would  help avoid lawsuits is  debatable, although it                                                               
is something to point to in the  case of a lawsuit, he noted.  He                                                               
concluded,  "It  basically  is  ...   a  set  of  best  practices                                                               
conditions."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2261                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH referred  to Commissioner Antrim's aforementioned                                                               
statement  that  he  had  no intention  of  ending  any  existing                                                               
program.  He stated his  concern that Commissioner Antrim not box                                                               
himself  into  some  position.     If  the  facts  don't  warrant                                                               
continuing  a program,  he said,  and there  is no  public policy                                                               
base for it  and no benefit [from it], then  perhaps that program                                                               
should be ended.  He said that  he did not want that statement to                                                               
come back and haunt Commissioner Antrim.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2242                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  clarified that what  he had meant to  say is                                                               
that individual programs may be  examined, but "broad areas, like                                                               
substance  abuse,  we are  going  to  offer always,  whether  the                                                               
individual delivery method stays the same."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2201                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ stated that  he had a question regarding                                                               
"the program."  He asked, "I  was wondering if they were going to                                                               
go  through the  same auditing  that all  the other  programs are                                                               
going  through."    He  asked  if  those  audits  would  be  made                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2190                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  answered yes.   He  said, "The  governor, in                                                               
general  concept, has  ordered top-to-bottom  audits  of all  the                                                               
departments."  He asked Representative  Berkowitz if his question                                                               
referred to faith-based programs.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BERKOWITZ  said that  he wants  to ensure  that if                                                               
one program is audited, they all will be audited.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM said  yes.  He clarified, "At  this point the                                                               
chaplaincy program  is simply a  proposal, so once it's  in play,                                                               
you bet it will be."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2154                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WEYHRAUCH  asked Commissioner Antrim if  his department had                                                               
any involvement in any homeland security issue affecting Alaska.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  answered that although [the  department] has                                                               
not  yet  been  part  of   any  discussion  [concerning  homeland                                                               
security], he  believes that it has  a "place at the  table."  In                                                               
response to  a follow-up question  by Chair Weyhrauch,  he opined                                                               
that  his  department  should  be   [involved]  in  any  upcoming                                                               
homeland security overviews.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2115                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  stated his  understanding that,  at one                                                               
time, the department was involved  in seeking a federal grant for                                                               
sex  offender  treatment.    He   asked  Commissioner  Antrim  to                                                               
describe  that  grant  and explain  why  the  new  administration                                                               
decided not to continue it.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM clarified  that  that grant  was  part of  a                                                               
larger federal grant  called the "going home project."   He said,                                                               
"We've  not made  a decision  yet whether  to end  either one  of                                                               
those two grants."  He  explained that [the department's] concern                                                               
is regarding  the amount of  work that  would be required  of the                                                               
staff  to  administer  those  grants.     He  said  that  initial                                                               
indications were  that some of  the senior probation  staff would                                                               
be  consumed in  managing  the  program.   He  mentioned the  new                                                               
administration and an  initial [reaction] to "cut  our losses" by                                                               
cutting  the   program.    He   told  the  committee   that  [the                                                               
department]  had engaged  in an  in-depth conversation  with "the                                                               
main  administrator  in  the  field  for  that  grant,  yesterday                                                               
afternoon," and it  appears that [the department] may  be able to                                                               
shift some of  the workload to "some of his  people" and make the                                                               
changes in  the operation  of the  grants through  addendums that                                                               
will  meet "our  very point  of concerns."   Commissioner  Antrim                                                               
said  that,  if  that  proves  possible,  [the  department]  will                                                               
continue [with the grant].                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1920                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  asked Commissioner Antrim if  he thinks                                                               
he may have  the ability to change some of  the conditions of the                                                               
grant.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM  said yes.    In  response  to an  offer  of                                                               
assistance  from  Representative  Gruenberg, he  said,  "I  think                                                               
we're OK."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1877                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BERKOWITZ asked  if  the  administration had  any                                                               
thoughts regarding changing the missions  and measures set out by                                                               
the legislature.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER   ANTRIM   replied   that  it   was   clear   during                                                               
conversations with OMB [Office of  Management & Budget] that some                                                               
of the  missions and measures are  "out of sync."   He said, "So,                                                               
I've tasked  the director of  [the Division of]  Institutions and                                                               
the director  of what  we're going  to call  the new  Division of                                                               
Probation  and Parole  to examine  those  and tighten  them up  a                                                               
little bit, so they have more meaning for the legislature."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1824                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WEYHRAUCH asked  Commissioner Antrim  why the  legislature                                                               
should accept his confirmation.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM  responded that  he  has  given his  "entire                                                               
adult life" to the department.   He stated that he feels strongly                                                               
about leaving the  department better than when  he [began working                                                               
for it].   He  said that  he believes his  approach thus  far has                                                               
been a cautious  and safe one.   He has assembled a  team that he                                                               
said he thinks offers "a  very good, strong, balanced approach to                                                               
get the job done."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WEYHRAUCH  asked  Commissioner   Antrim  to  describe  his                                                               
strengths and weaknesses.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER  ANTRIM   answered  that   his  strength   is  being                                                               
"extremely  dogged,"  and  his  weakness  is  that  he  sometimes                                                               
doesn't know  when to quit  when he should.   He stated  his hope                                                               
that that  would not  be a detriment  in committee  hearings, for                                                               
example.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM, in response  to a question by Representative                                                               
Weyhrauch regarding favorite reading, noted  that he had read Man                                                             
In Full:  A Novel, by Tom  Wolfe; however, he noted  that most of                                                             
the  prison  literature that  he  has  read  over the  years  has                                                               
consisted of professional publications.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1699                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAPSNER asked Commissioner  Antrim to confirm that                                                               
he might be  changing the focus of treatments  from "treating all                                                               
the inmates  who may  have a  problem in  one area,  whether they                                                               
admit it  or not, to  just treating  the inmates that  admit that                                                               
they have a problem, say, with alcohol addiction."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
COMMISSIONER ANTRIM  clarified that  his focus is  getting people                                                               
to understand that they have a  problem that needs to be treated.                                                               
In response  to a  comment by  Representative Kapsner,  he agreed                                                               
that [many  of those  with alcohol  abuse problems]  won't freely                                                               
admit to their problem.  He  stated that once people realize that                                                               
they need help,  there are a number of treatment  models that are                                                               
effective, and  he reemphasized his  intent to help  those people                                                               
with problems [in taking that first step].                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1502                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  WEYHRAUCH reviewed  the steps  involved in  a confirmation                                                               
and thanked Commissioner Antrim.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Although  there  was  no  formal  motion,  the  confirmation  of                                                               
Commissioner   Marc  Antrim   was   treated   as  advanced   from                                                               
committee.]                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1401                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[Representative  Gruenberg handed  out  the previously  mentioned                                                               
article regarding the health issues of prison inmates.]                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  mentioned that he  had read an  article from                                                               
an  Anchorage newspaper  about someone  in Anchorage  who started                                                               
his/her car  with a remote  starter, left it unattended,  and was                                                               
given a ticket.   He noted that  he has a remote  starter, and he                                                               
guessed that  between 5 to 15  percent of people [in  Alaska] use                                                               
remote starters.   He confessed that his vehicle was  one of four                                                               
left unattended  [in Juneau] on a  recent night.  He  stated that                                                               
he thinks the issue needs to be addressed.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1290                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
State Affairs  Standing Committee  meeting was adjourned  at 9:21                                                               
a.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects